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hello my name is brian wellman i

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currently live in tennessee

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but uh in september of 2019

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i was visiting moab utah with my dad on

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vacation

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and we were in canyonlands national park

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i had taken an online

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night photography class and i wanted to

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take some milky way photos

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so we did this we decided to go out that

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night and do that we had uh

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one last night where the moon was going

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to be down about i can't remember the

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exact time around 10 30 at

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night and then we should have you know

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pretty good night sky

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it was cloudy and raining in some areas

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but it was clearing off

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we did still have some clouds but not

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really bad

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we my father was sick that night um

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and we were trying to decide when we

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were gonna go

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i wanted to sleep a little bit and then

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get up at like two or three in the

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morning and go

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but he thought since he was sick it

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would be best to go

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early in the night and then he could

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sleep uninterrupted

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and hopefully feel better so we

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headed out to canyonlands probably

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between 9 30 and 10.

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i know we got there before the moon was

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down uh i had set up my camera

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beforehand

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and um all the settings that i needed

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for

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uh some milky way photos i had the

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camera on a tripod etc

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um so we got there we we just drove into

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the park we were going to look for a

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um you know a good place to set up where

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hopefully we wouldn't have

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any cars or anyone around so we ended up

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driving into

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shaffer canyon overlook which is uh

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quite a nice overlook there towards the

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east

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um as the moon was setting to the west

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behind me if i remember correctly

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so i was set up i had the tripod pulled

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out and

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uh has just just practiced taking a

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couple shots as i waited for the moon to

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go down

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um shortly after the moon went down

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actually before i was really taking any

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photos i noticed

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um you're coming from kind of the

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southeast

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um a streak in the sky and i didn't

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think much of it thought it was probably

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a shooting star

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or you know meteor and i went back to

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getting ready to take some photos and uh

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wasn't within

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it was within a minute probably that i

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saw a streak in the same

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general area in the sky so i stopped and

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i looked

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and i noticed uh three lights which i

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thought looked like they were in

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formation

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and i thought wow that's a ufo so i ran

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over to my dad he was sitting in

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sitting in the car um because again he

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didn't feel well

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and i said hey dad i think we got a ufo

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and he said yeah i've been watching it

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he said it uh

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it came over um this kind of like cliff

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hill there and and moved slowly

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and then a couple times it streaked um

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into a position where it was probably

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uh you know degree wise from us probably

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75 degrees in the sky there

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so we watched it and it uh moved a

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little closer and slowly in

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and again at that point i thought it was

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three different objects

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so we watched a little bit and it uh it

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moved around and made some incredible

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um you know streaking through the sky

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uh it was completely silent

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it looked like it moved back and then

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back kind of close to where it was

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before a couple of times

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and uh really interesting um directly

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east there was a white light very bright

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white light in the sky and i was talking

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to my dad and he said he had seen that

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almost since we had been there and at

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times he thought it was maybe someone

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with a flashlight

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maybe someone with a real bright light

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but he watched it for a while and was

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really erratic movements and uh

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he said he actually watched it for for

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quite some time didn't know what it was

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uh so we you know i saw that ufo off to

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the side to the east and then we had the

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one that had come from the southeast

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that had kind of done streaks in had

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the bright light to the east was just

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looked like one bright

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a ping pong ball it was moving so fast

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and erratically down and in and out of

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um just fastening we had no idea what

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i was about this time that i noticed

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and they were um again look like

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something in formation

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and uh that's that's what i thought it

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was that they were in formation

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at one point they looked like they did

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a pivot and plunged towards the ground

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which it really caught my

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my breath because i thought wow it's

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that's going to explode into the ground

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and they just disappear there's no no

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sound nothing happened no explosion

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and they were gone uh they would

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uh and you know within a few minutes and

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i saw that one again

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so um you know at times there were three

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different ufos in the sky at one time

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binoculars and i

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i got those out of the car and i put it

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on put those binoculars on the first one

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that had come in which it had stayed

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with besides moving back and forth

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that it wasn't three different crap but

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it was one

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triangular craft it was a black triangle

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with the white bluish lights on it

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just an amazing sight through the

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towards the east uh the white the bright

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triangle the white light was so bright

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actually three lights were so bright it

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the one that was bouncing around

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this this uh this encounter this

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these uh triangles are there for for two

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um during that time i had taken an

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online class so i was really determined

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to try to get some nice skype

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photography which i was able to do

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um unfortunately i was only able to get

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some photographs of the white one

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as it was silhouetted on the lasalle

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mountains which were due east from

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but we did observe those those uh

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triangles for for within those two hours

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i saw a lot of weird erratic movements

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they were able to streak what looked

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like miles across the sky

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disappeared and would appear in another

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streak of light and they'd appear

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that it pivoted what looked to be

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and it looked like when that light came

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on it propelled itself across the sky

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so i did not see that but he did and i

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interesting observation i would have

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one with the bluish white lights and the

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i'm kind of like orbiting each other or

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you know flying around each other that

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those just did not turn out i didn't see

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anything of the other

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craft the only one i saw any pictures of

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was the one that was with white bright

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so again you know the i didn't really

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it was more this is amazing um they did

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one time and i felt a little

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you know a little apprehension there was

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like wow we're completely surrounded but

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i knew

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at any point you know with the

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sophistication of what we were seeing

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that they could do anything i wanted

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again my father was sick so around

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midnight maybe a little after we decided

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the craft were still

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there they were still maneuvering

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through the canyons and up in the air

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i'm not sure what they were doing i

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speculate uh

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that they were mapping or were doing a

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reconnaissance of the area

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um i was in military intelligence that

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just looked like they were really

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gathering information of the terrain

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which the white one was again was in and

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out of the canyons

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and all over so i don't know if it was

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mapping the only two things that could

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come to mind for me is they were mapping

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or doing a reconnaissance

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or they were looking for something so

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canyonlands coming off the

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the ridges there and i do remember you

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we didn't have any lost time which

285
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you know i don't think we had any lost

286
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time at all just an incredible encounter

287
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with the three of three ufos that lasted

288
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uh

289
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you know at least two hours there almost

290
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two hours

291
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but it's something i'll never forget i

292
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reached a couple of things i reached out

293
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to

294
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an author dave marlar who has written a

295
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book about

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triangles which if you read the book

297
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they've been cited for many

298
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many years not just since the 70s but

299
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going back through time

300
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i also was in an episode of unidentified

301
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um they did an episode on black

302
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triangles

303
00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:54,079
uh i stayed anonymous there i was just

304
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uh

305
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was apprehensive about you know putting

306
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my name out there but now i you know i

307
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realized it's

308
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you know there's nothing nothing to to

309
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hide from you know as far as my name i

310
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don't mind that people know

311
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and i'm more than happy to answer

312
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questions that anybody would have

313
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um but that was interesting being on

314
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that episode of

315
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unidentified they did a really good job

316
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but there were some things they left out

317
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some things they kind of twisted around

318
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i guess probably to try to make it a

319
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more interesting story

320
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but um yeah it's uh season two and it's

321
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uh

322
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thank you for your time

323
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hi i'm lee i live in manchester in the

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uk

325
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and i'm 35 years old i was around

326
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8 or 9 at the time and i was traveling

327
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in a car from

328
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blackpool to mukbang to manchester

329
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in the car there was myself and my

330
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brother who is two years younger than me

331
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and my mom and my dad so we were driving

332
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down a country country road on the way

333
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home it was pitch black

334
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and we were the only car on the road

335
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from what i remember

336
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the car we were driving in it was an old

337
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black sail astra

338
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and it had one of the old sunroofs that

339
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they don't think they do anymore

340
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and i just remember looking up and

341
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seeing this black triangle in the sky

342
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and so i said to me mum look at that mum

343
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what's that

344
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so my mum looked up she she said i don't

345
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know

346
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i remember shaking my brother to wake

347
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him up because he was asleep at the time

348
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fortunately i don't remember what my

349
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brother said because it was a long time

350
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ago

351
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i remember my dad asking what was what's

352
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going on so we told him

353
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however he couldn't really do much

354
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except carry on driving

355
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so as we looked up we watched this

356
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object for around

357
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two minutes and then it just disappeared

358
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no sound

359
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no lights he was just gone

360
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it's stuck with me ever since and i

361
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still bring you up now to talk about

362
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with my mum

363
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and she she remembers it vividly as well

364
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it's just a shame we had no recording

365
00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:53,600
equipment because

366
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back then it was just the big camcorder

367
00:12:57,750 --> 00:12:57,279
things that we we had but we didn't

368
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really

369
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didn't carry at the time so that's a bit

370
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of a regret

371
00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:03,920
i don't remember feeling scared or

372
00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:06,000
frightened i just remember looking

373
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in amazement more than anything and ever

374
00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:09,279
since then i've been

375
00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:12,240
interested in ufos and uaps and anything

376
00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:14,160
to do with space

377
00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:16,399
and it's left me 100 convinced that

378
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we're not alone

379
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when i get an opportunity i always look

380
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up to the sky to see if we can see

381
00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:22,800
anything else and

382
00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:24,639
but unfortunately i've not seen anything

383
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since thank you ryan for giving me the

384
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opportunity to tell my story um i know

385
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it's only sharp

386
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i keep the good work on the podcast and

387
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keep looking up

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[Music]

389
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hi my name is kyle and uh this is my

390
00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:42,320
sighting

391
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in 2003 i was living in the town

392
00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:49,519
of belvedere illinois and my brother and

393
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i were playing

394
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um horse in our driveway and we had

395
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a hoop that was on our garage and it was

396
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,279
facing west and my brother had tossed

397
00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:03,839
the ball in and bounced off the hoop

398
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:06,959
and i go to follow the hoop with my eyes

399
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:10,079
as it goes into the trees and i see this

400
00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:14,399
dark charcoal colored triangular shape

401
00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:18,720
and it was probably 2 000 to 2500 feet

402
00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:19,760
in the air

403
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:22,880
uh almost almost directly above and

404
00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:26,560
to the front or to the west of us and

405
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it didn't have any like solid edges it

406
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:31,519
was all rounded on the sides

407
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:34,399
and the back and in the back in a

408
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:35,760
recessed section

409
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there were two like circle

410
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:43,680
nozzles on each side and a

411
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:46,720
longer uh elongated oval in the center

412
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:47,519
but it was

413
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:51,279
like recessed inside of the that flat

414
00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:54,959
that edge of the triangle and

415
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:57,680
i looked at my brother and i was like

416
00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:58,000
what's

417
00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:00,560
that at the time i was really interested

418
00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:01,120
in

419
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,240
you know our modern jets and uh mostly

420
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:06,320
world war ii aircraft

421
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:08,560
and i was like i i've never seen

422
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,760
anything like that

423
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:11,920
and uh that weekend we were supposed to

424
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:14,320
go to our grandparents house

425
00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:17,360
and um we did

426
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,360
and i we talked to my my

427
00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:21,519
step-grandfather about it and

428
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:23,360
we spent two hours on the internet

429
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:24,800
trying to find something that matched

430
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:27,120
our description and

431
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:30,399
we never found it and

432
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:33,360
shortly after that i started having

433
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:33,920
bouts

434
00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:38,000
of um sleep paralysis

435
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:39,279
i would wake up in the middle of the

436
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:41,440
night and

437
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:44,639
i would be frozen and i couldn't move

438
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:47,759
my fingers or my toes

439
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:51,680
and i couldn't scream and

440
00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,040
it was really hard

441
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:58,160
and i didn't know what to do about it um

442
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,440
i continued having the sleep paralysis

443
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:03,759
for years after that and i eventually

444
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,120
just

445
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:07,680
figured out that i had to relax and

446
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:08,160
breathe

447
00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:11,920
and close my eyes and focus on moving

448
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:15,199
things that to get my body working again

449
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:18,720
and um

450
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:21,839
shortly after the first incident

451
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,880
i was getting off the bus with my friend

452
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,079
nick

453
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:29,040
and as we got off the bus we saw these

454
00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:30,320
two jets chase

455
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:33,279
something that was smoldering in the air

456
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,279
and we asked our

457
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:37,519
reading teacher the next day who was a

458
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:40,000
uh air force reservist

459
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,440
and she said she didn't know anything

460
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,199
about it she'd ask and we of course

461
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,199
never heard anything

462
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:48,399
but after that um i

463
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:51,680
started having real vivid uh lucid

464
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,320
dreams

465
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,959
and uh that's something i still have to

466
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:55,839
this day i

467
00:17:02,949 --> 00:16:59,839
i don't correlate these incidents

468
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:02,959
and put them together but it seems

469
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,919
that it's something that happens to

470
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:07,360
people who witness

471
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:11,919
the dark triangles and yeah that's

472
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,510
hello my name's michael um i'm

473
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:21,839
originally from the united kingdom

474
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:24,959
from a place called liverpool um i

475
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:28,400
migrated and i now live in perth western

476
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:30,840
australia

477
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,160
um i'd like to tell you

478
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,120
what happened to me and my girlfriend at

479
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,080
the time who went on to become my wife

480
00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:43,360
um the event

481
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:47,240
took place in

482
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:50,160
1997 i actually know precisely when it

483
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:53,600
took place it was the 28th of march

484
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:57,039
and i'll tell you a bit more about that

485
00:18:01,290 --> 00:17:57,840
why i know

486
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,300
the date a little bit later and

487
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:03,039
[Music]

488
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,080
what happened was we were in a car

489
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:09,120
traveling between

490
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,960
formby and southport and west lancashire

491
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:14,880
in the united kingdom

492
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,000
and we were on the way to a party

493
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,200
it was about it was

494
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:24,240
like early evening it was still light

495
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:27,679
but it was starting to um

496
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,280
go dark and we were quite excited we

497
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:33,280
hadn't been drinking or anything we were

498
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,960
just on the way to the party because we

499
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:36,720
were driving

500
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:39,919
um and

501
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:42,400
we were on like quite a it's quite a

502
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,120
rural

503
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,919
road it's because it's on the coast and

504
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:47,440
southport's like a

505
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:50,720
seaside town and

506
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,600
as we're driving i was listening to the

507
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:54,960
radio

508
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,400
and it mentioned that hal's bob comet

509
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,720
would be visible in the northern

510
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:02,000
hemisphere

511
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,080
skies and that night and i was intrigued

512
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:07,679
by that

513
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:12,000
mostly because several days beforehand

514
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,440
and the cult members from the heavens

515
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:16,880
gate sect

516
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:20,240
had committed suicide and for those of

517
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:20,799
you

518
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:24,320
who remember or for

519
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:27,200
those of you who don't the story goes

520
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:28,160
that

521
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,240
the cult members committed suicide

522
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:33,600
because they believed that they were

523
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,200
going to be transported

524
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:38,320
onto a ufo that was hidden in

525
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,520
hal's bob comet now i'm not making a

526
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,440
judgment on that i'm i'm just letting

527
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,799
you know what i saw

528
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:47,679
anyway but i was intrigued by that

529
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,400
anyway

530
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,200
and that's the one of the reasons why i

531
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:53,039
i was interested to see whether i could

532
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:55,039
see this particular comet

533
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:58,160
so as we're driving i started looking

534
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,600
out the window

535
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:02,000
and just to see if i could see anything

536
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:03,280
as we were driving

537
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,200
driving past and then

538
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,000
as would i as my wife was driving i i

539
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,760
was in the passenger seat i noticed

540
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:13,200
something

541
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,200
out the side window and i could see

542
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,640
quite a large object in the sky kind of

543
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,320
coming into view

544
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:24,559
so i couldn't quite make it out so i

545
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,440
asked my wife

546
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,360
to pull over so i could get a better

547
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,039
look so we pulled over at the side of

548
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,640
the road

549
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:33,520
and literally it was it was quite

550
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,080
bizarre

551
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,039
because i distinctly remember looking

552
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,840
trying to make out what i could see

553
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,320
and it was quite an overcast day march

554
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,600
days in the uk

555
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,360
can be quite wintry and it was quite

556
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:47,039
overcast there was a lot of

557
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,400
cloud cover but the clouds just opened

558
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,760
up

559
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:54,240
to reveal i couldn't see the whole

560
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,120
object

561
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:58,480
i could only see one side of it

562
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:01,760
but it was just enormous

563
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,280
i mean gigantic

564
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,919
like people have asked me to explain how

565
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,520
big

566
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:12,480
i'm talking like half a mile to a mile

567
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,120
across

568
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,559
i mean this thing was enormous

569
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,120
and i couldn't see all of it because

570
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,320
some of it was still

571
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,000
hidden in the cloud

572
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,039
i did make a report of this many years

573
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,120
later to a ufo site

574
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,320
and i've looked at it and i i've

575
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,720
mentioned on that that it was just cigar

576
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,240
shaped

577
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,280
that's not a memory i have now

578
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,480
i may have thought one side of it was

579
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,000
cigar shape but i couldn't

580
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,039
see the whole object anyway i couldn't

581
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,200
i couldn't make out any distinctive

582
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,280
features of the object

583
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,760
i couldn't make out whether it was metal

584
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:55,840
what it was made of

585
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,559
it was gray in color very bland looking

586
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,000
but what i certainly could see is

587
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,520
three-dimensional structure

588
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,799
and i could see it was an object and it

589
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,000
wasn't moving

590
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,039
and i remember looking and thinking

591
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:16,080
how is that object able

592
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:20,159
to stay perfectly still and not move

593
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,559
my wife was was seeing exactly the same

594
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:26,799
as what i was seeing so it wasn't

595
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,559
like a delusion or a mirage

596
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,720
we were talking while we were while we

597
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,080
were looking at it

598
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,880
how how high was it it was quite high

599
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,159
i'd say at least 10

600
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:41,280
000 feet maybe 15 000 feet it was right

601
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,240
up there but it was just giant

602
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,280
the strange thing was that

603
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,080
whilst we're watching it we noticed that

604
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:53,039
there was

605
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,600
light-colored small objects very bright

606
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:02,559
very intense colored i think one was

607
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:03,200
green

608
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:06,880
one was red and one was yellow i'm not

609
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:11,520
100 sure now on the colors

610
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,280
but they were definitely

611
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,240
kind of connected to the main craft in

612
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,600
the sense that

613
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,240
they were interacting with it and the

614
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,960
the interesting thing was

615
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,080
they were basically darting

616
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,799
haphazardly across the horizon the

617
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:32,960
panoramic horizon

618
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,159
and the speed that they were moving

619
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,360
literally one would go from one end of

620
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:42,159
the horizon to the the other in a blink

621
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:43,120
of an

622
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,960
eye and i remember thinking at the time

623
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,200
that's not physically possible to move

624
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,840
with that speed

625
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,080
it was almost like at the speed of light

626
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,880
i mean it was just incredible speeds

627
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,799
it was just these things were just

628
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,520
darting around the main craft

629
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:04,559
again they look like solid objects they

630
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,960
weren't

631
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,120
lasers it was difficult to kind of

632
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,440
work out how big they were they were

633
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,840
quite small in comparison to the big

634
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,440
craft

635
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,520
but that doesn't mean to say that they

636
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:20,080
were they were tiny either it was just

637
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,200
difficult to

638
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:24,240
to work out they were circular very all

639
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,390
we observed this i was i'll be honest

640
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,240
with you i was freaking out i was so

641
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,360
excited

642
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,520
my wife was getting schooled up my

643
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:39,600
girlfriend he went on to be my wife was

644
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,080
getting

645
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,799
quite scared and she was urging me to

646
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,000
leave

647
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,679
and because we were going to be late for

648
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,760
the party

649
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,600
i really didn't want to go but

650
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,679
eventually after 5 or 10 minutes of

651
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,760
watching this show

652
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,520
i couldn't wait to get back into the car

653
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,200
because i wanted to get to the party and

654
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,640
tell everyone what was going on

655
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,559
we got back into the car we started

656
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,600
driving towards southport

657
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,720
as we're driving it was probably

658
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,200
five ten minutes and it was starting to

659
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,120
go dark

660
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,520
we were coming into the outskirts of

661
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,039
southport which is like

662
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,640
quite a small town really and

663
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,400
and we were hitting some busier roads

664
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,159
and all of a sudden

665
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,960
as we're talking about what we've seen

666
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:33,679
there was

667
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,080
an enormous flash of

668
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,480
instantaneous light within

669
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:44,240
the car itself which basically blinded

670
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:44,960
us

671
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,880
through the sunroof

672
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,559
or the the windscreen it lasted about a

673
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,159
second or so

674
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:56,559
my wife who was driving was completely

675
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,320
blinded and had to do an emergency stop

676
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,360
but then as soon as it hit the car

677
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,480
and hit us the light was gone

678
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,159
it lasted like a second

679
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,279
and afterwards we i was just

680
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,400
i just looked at my wife and said

681
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,880
did you did you just witness what i've

682
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,400
just witnessed and she just based out

683
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,520
crying

684
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,000
i mean it was there's the interesting

685
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:26,480
thing about what happened to us

686
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,799
is these are the two most

687
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,480
extraordinary things that have ever

688
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:33,760
happened

689
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,720
within a 10 minute period

690
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,360
i'm absolutely certain that whatever

691
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:43,440
came into the car it wasn't

692
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:47,360
like a faulty speed camera or whatever

693
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,640
and it wasn't it wasn't like a laser

694
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,760
this thing took over the center

695
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,799
that the whole car

696
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:01,919
inside the car we couldn't see anything

697
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,480
we were

698
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,279
absolutely blinded by the most intense

699
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:06,640
white light

700
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,919
i've ever witnessed and as i say after

701
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:10,480
it went

702
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,520
after it had finished it it was gone

703
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,720
my wife i was so excited

704
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,720
i wanted to get to the party and tell

705
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,159
everyone

706
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:25,360
my wife begged me not to talk about it

707
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:26,080
because

708
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,440
of the taboo nature of this phenomena

709
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,559
phenomenon

710
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,640
and for some reason people are just not

711
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,080
willing to accept that

712
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,200
these things happen this thing has

713
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:40,480
stayed with me

714
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,320
i'm and my wife when we're no longer

715
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,919
together now unfortunately although

716
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:47,679
we've got a good relationship

717
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,000
for over 20 years what 30 years

718
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:56,080
and it it still strikes me as the most

719
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,080
bizarre episode in my life

720
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,640
and she won't talk about it i've tried

721
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,720
to get her to talk about it i think

722
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,399
because she doesn't quite understand

723
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,679
what happened

724
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,159
she'd rather not think about it because

725
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:11,760
it doesn't fit into

726
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:14,960
the way she wants the world to work

727
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:18,640
what do i think it was um

728
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:22,640
i don't know i i don't think it was

729
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,720
um of this whale because i don't see

730
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,159
how anything that i saw we've got that

731
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,200
sort of technology and the speeds

732
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,720
that i saw on that day and then what

733
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:37,440
happened

734
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,720
afterwards and there was an

735
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,000
element after that we both said

736
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,080
that we felt as if we'd been probed and

737
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,480
we felt a little bit weird afterwards

738
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,679
there wasn't any time

739
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,080
distortion or anything it was just the

740
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,480
light came and then it went

741
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,520
um i i tried to kind of

742
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,840
scour and do some research to see if

743
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,279
anybody else had seen

744
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,480
anything similar that night

745
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,080
but i wasn't able to find any anything

746
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:13,840
um that recorded this particular event

747
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,279
as i say it took place on i believe

748
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,039
i think it was a saturday night because

749
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:20,720
we were going to a party

750
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,440
it's the 28th of march 1997.

751
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:28,640
the heavens gate cult members

752
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,919
had committed suicide i believe a couple

753
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:33,760
of days earlier

754
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,039
and it was at the time when

755
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:40,799
howl's bob and comet was

756
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,360
was still um in in the area

757
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:48,559
um i hope you enjoyed the story

758
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,919
and it certainly changed my life

759
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:54,960
it gave me a fresh perspective

760
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,640
on kind of what is important in life

761
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,799
i certainly am a believer that we're not

762
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,000
the only

763
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,440
um life force in this universe

764
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,240
and thank you ryan for giving me the

765
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:09,919
opportunity

766
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,389
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

767
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,840
just dropping in to remind you

768
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,240
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769
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,320
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770
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,240
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771
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,480
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772
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773
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774
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775
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776
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,120
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777
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,799
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778
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,960
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779
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,039
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780
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781
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782
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[Music]

783
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,840
hey how's it going ryan and somewhere in

784
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,440
the skies podcast

785
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,880
uh my name is roz and uh this is my

786
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,000
story

787
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:09,360
so it begins when i was around

788
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,720
16 years old and i was at a buddy's

789
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,480
house of mine

790
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:17,120
and um we were we were just watching a

791
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,240
movie um

792
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,640
in his living room it was it was around

793
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,480
nine o'clock at night

794
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,799
winter time so it was pretty cold out uh

795
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,880
and it had been dark for a while

796
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,960
and we we were in his uh living room

797
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,080
watching a movie

798
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,519
all the lights out and um the way his

799
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,640
living room is oriented uh you have you

800
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,600
know the couch

801
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,399
is facing the tv and then the tv has two

802
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,679
windows behind it

803
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:44,000
so we were looking at the tv along with

804
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,880
facing these

805
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:47,279
windows and the windows had the blinds

806
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,240
down

807
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,279
so we're sitting there and then a

808
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,519
freaking super bright light that was

809
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,039
moving

810
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,880
started to come through the windows

811
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,159
behind the tv

812
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,360
with the blinds down that's how bright

813
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:02,480
it was so we were like

814
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,159
you know what the heck is that um

815
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,200
and the where my friend lived he

816
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:11,919
uh it was pretty rural and he had a

817
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,399
field

818
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,640
right behind his house so our first

819
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:15,919
thought was

820
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:18,640
did a tractor turn on its headlights or

821
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,360
something

822
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,000
and they're coming through into the the

823
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,840
living room

824
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,720
but we got up you know this this took

825
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,600
place within

826
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,799
seconds and um so we immediately popped

827
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,480
up and and went out his back door to go

828
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,240
check out what it was

829
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,840
and uh in the sky around i want to say

830
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,679
two football fields away

831
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,720
is a fireball it is

832
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,720
i always said it was it was around the

833
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:46,799
size of an suv

834
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,480
and this fireball it almost looked like

835
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,200
your cliche picture of the sun

836
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,960
just shrink down to the size of a

837
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,720
minivan and uh

838
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,799
it was so close it was actually

839
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,240
unbelievable

840
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,679
and it was moving slowly across the sky

841
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,799
not doing anything just moving uh and

842
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:09,039
we we went to us we went to school with

843
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,000
uh

844
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,440
a friend of ours who lived down the

845
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:13,360
street from my buddy and we immediately

846
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,399
called her up

847
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,399
because it was actually heading right in

848
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,159
the direction of her house

849
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,559
so we called her and uh we told her you

850
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,080
know you got to go outside and look

851
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,240
what's coming over your house right now

852
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:27,039
and as she uh as she was about to go

853
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,320
outside

854
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:31,200
the best way i can describe it the the

855
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:32,159
fireball

856
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,159
collapsed in on itself um and was gone

857
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:39,360
um so yeah that that is

858
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,880
that is the the story um

859
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,840
and i know you wanted to uh wanted me to

860
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,440
include how it made me feel

861
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,919
and i think the best way i can describe

862
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,200
it is

863
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,600
it made me pretty excited like i said

864
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,360
this happened when i was around 16 so it

865
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,440
was definitely the event that

866
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,360
pushed me into getting super interested

867
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,120
in the whole in the whole ufo

868
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:03,760
subject and uh yeah it made me it made

869
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,240
me

870
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,679
pretty happy because i love ufos so much

871
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,520
and i'm lucky to be able to have a story

872
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,720
of my own so

873
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,399
that is that is everything thank you

874
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:14,480
ryan thank you uh somewhere in the sky's

875
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,950
hi ryan this is shawn and my oldest

876
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:21,919
daughter

877
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,200
ava who's 11 years old uh we're from

878
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,119
calgary alberta canada

879
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,480
and on august 8th of this year we're

880
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,119
camping and we're in rocky mountain

881
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,560
house which is a couple hours north of

882
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,119
us

883
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,119
and we're heading north towards our

884
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,399
campsite uh when my daughter saw

885
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,520
uh what she thought was an airplane

886
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,599
but she said it looked weird so she

887
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,879
yelled what

888
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:49,200
is that because i was tracking it from

889
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:49,919
when it was

890
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:53,119
in the middle of our windshield to where

891
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:53,599
it was

892
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:56,879
pretty much directly uh

893
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,920
beside me and uh so i looked at it and

894
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,200
sure enough i could see it and it was

895
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,359
about 3 000 feet

896
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,160
above us um and it was uh about the size

897
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,680
of an airplane

898
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,000
easily but it was going really really

899
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:11,520
fast and i was shocked i just didn't

900
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,400
know what to do i

901
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,400
there was no one else on the road it was

902
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,160
it was unbelievable i had never seen

903
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:18,079
anything like it uh it was completely

904
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,960
white

905
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,040
it looked exactly like uh what you would

906
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,119
think a double-sided egg would look like

907
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,200
you know if you had the thin end on both

908
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,359
ends instead of like a thin and thick

909
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,560
um is that about was flying at a 30

910
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:32,160
degree angle kind of like almost like

911
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,280
belly up

912
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:36,800
and it was moving hella fast

913
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,240
um and it kind of slowed down uh once we

914
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,280
saw it

915
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,599
and it had a shimmery look to it almost

916
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,640
kind of like

917
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,000
it was blurry so it was traveling

918
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:49,520
directly west

919
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,720
we went uh i tried to find a spot to

920
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,280
pull over

921
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,640
i asked my daughter to grab the

922
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,800
binoculars that were right beside her

923
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,119
she went reached over to grab them and

924
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,480
she turned back

925
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,720
and she saw it drop a thousand feet

926
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,920
straight down

927
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:06,880
and i found a spot to pull over uh and i

928
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,160
went to reach over to grab my cell phone

929
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,480
but as i was grabbing myself and i was

930
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,440
looking left

931
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:16,000
i s i saw it actually do a hard 90

932
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,440
straight north

933
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,520
into a cloud and then i grabbed my cell

934
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:21,119
phone i was going to take a video now

935
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,240
that we are parked

936
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:25,280
and we looked at it and we couldn't find

937
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,320
it anymore

938
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,520
and uh my wife for whatever reason her

939
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,839
she just could not look up she said she

940
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,920
just had this some compulsion to look

941
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,880
straight down

942
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,400
same with my other daughter she just

943
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,480
they both just could not

944
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,800
look at it for some reason like sarah

945
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,839
said it was a plane

946
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,400
and uh she couldn't look up she couldn't

947
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,920
even look at it for some reason

948
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,160
and now every time we talk about it

949
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,680
she's quite uneasy

950
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:52,240
um and then hannah yeah for same same

951
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,960
reason

952
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,960
she just literally couldn't look up for

953
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,320
some reason so

954
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:58,320
it was kind of weird so ava and i were

955
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,359
the only ones

956
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:02,480
that got to see that particular egg uh

957
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,040
so then

958
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,280
that was neat we were just shocked

959
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,359
couldn't believe we had seen that

960
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:10,400
so then we continued on to the campsite

961
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:10,960
and we

962
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,119
parents who were camping with us and

963
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,599
asked we started asking my mom about her

964
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:19,760
experience which was back in

965
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,280
when she was nine or ten and

966
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,400
eight yeah yeah and uh she had a close

967
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,000
encounter the third kind and

968
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,880
she said how the way we were reacting

969
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:31,200
was

970
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:37,440
young child and then ava and i decided

971
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,839
to

972
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,320
draw uh a picture separately of what we

973
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,320
saw and we drew the same thing

974
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,079
like a double-sided egg almost like a

975
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,160
tic-tac but fat in the middle

976
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,040
and uh we even drew i drew like little

977
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,200
squigglies around and so did she

978
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,359
so yeah that was our that's our story

979
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,000
and then as far as like feelings uh

980
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,520
i've had this obsessive like compulsion

981
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,960
now to

982
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,200
constantly look in the sky i've had

983
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,560
another experience

984
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,640
since then and ava's had how many have

985
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,160
you had now i've had five

986
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,520
five experiences yeah uh since then

987
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,440
my recent one was when we were i went

988
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,119
out hunting

989
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,920
up by white court in november uh third

990
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,280
week of november

991
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,560
and we were sleeping in a tent it was

992
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,920
minus 20

993
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,240
and we heard i everybody was asleep it

994
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:27,599
was about two or three in the morning i

995
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,400
woke up

996
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,520
and i heard this what's what sounded to

997
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,119
me like a swooshing sound

998
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,119
i thought was a plane but it's like a

999
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:36,160
swoosh

1000
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,880
it came over top of the

1001
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,000
the tent i could hear just stop above us

1002
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,880
and then i fell asleep and then uh when

1003
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,520
we

1004
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:50,079
woke up i remembered it but that's all i

1005
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,720
remembered

1006
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,560
and i asked everybody normally everyone

1007
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:54,000
gets up to go pee in the middle of the

1008
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:54,560
night at

1009
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,839
uh oh hunting because everyone's had

1010
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,200
a few drinks and no one actually woke up

1011
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,960
that night everyone said they slept the

1012
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,800
greatest they've slept in a couple years

1013
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:05,599
and

1014
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,800
it's been really weird it felt like like

1015
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,720
these two experiences have made me feel

1016
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:12,400
like it it's almost like

1017
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,440
watching but i don't know how else to

1018
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:17,599
explain it i don't know how you feel

1019
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,000
i feel fine it's it's weird because

1020
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:25,440
my dad's like was scared

1021
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,720
and i was didn't feel anything

1022
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,440
like i felt normal when they showed when

1023
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,430
hi ryan um thank you very much for the

1024
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:40,880
opportunity to be able to tell my story

1025
00:39:45,069 --> 00:39:44,240
my ufo sighting happened i think it was

1026
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,079
like

1027
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,079
1997. i was

1028
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:51,280
a social worker working in a

1029
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,359
camp that was for kids it was basically

1030
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,440
i mean it was basically like a detention

1031
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,880
center um

1032
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,320
but it was out in the middle of the

1033
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,240
desert um it was in

1034
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,280
alfreda arizona which is very close to

1035
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:06,880
the border of mexico and

1036
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,839
really just out in the middle of nowhere

1037
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,800
um

1038
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:13,200
so the kids lived at the camp and the

1039
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,839
staff

1040
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,880
lived at the camp and

1041
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:19,760
the way it was set up there was an area

1042
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:20,480
where

1043
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,720
the kids stayed and then there was

1044
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,079
like the dorms or whatever

1045
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:31,359
where the staff lived and there was a

1046
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,319
little path

1047
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,440
that went from the the

1048
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,920
staff housing to the area where the kids

1049
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:38,720
lived

1050
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,920
and that path was not lit it was pretty

1051
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,200
dark

1052
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,440
like i said it was the desert but there

1053
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,280
was a little path

1054
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:50,319
that went between the two places

1055
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,160
so uh i was walking with another

1056
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:57,520
staff member along this path

1057
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,880
and i'm just telling you it it's really

1058
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,440
dark

1059
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:04,720
um you can see every star

1060
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,400
in the sky um it's just

1061
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,280
i don't know i've never i've it's never

1062
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,119
i've never lived in a place where the

1063
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,800
sky was really that clear because it's

1064
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,880
the desert there's no clouds

1065
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,640
um and i live in washington now so

1066
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,480
there's always clouds

1067
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:23,119
but uh but it's out in the middle of

1068
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,760
nowhere

1069
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:26,160
and the sky is just really clear you can

1070
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,200
see all the stars

1071
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,280
so i'm walking along with this other

1072
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,960
staff member and we're talking

1073
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,640
i have no idea what we were talking

1074
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,000
about and then

1075
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,440
for whatever reason um we stopped and

1076
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,599
we looked up and i don't know why we did

1077
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:41,440
that but we did

1078
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,040
and there were three lights in the sky

1079
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,640
and they were very very far away so

1080
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,240
you know we could tell immediately that

1081
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:51,760
it wasn't a

1082
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,880
it wasn't planes um or a plane at the

1083
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,640
time i thought it was

1084
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,839
one i thought it was one aircraft

1085
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,760
um and that's where these lights were

1086
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,520
coming from but

1087
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,560
then they the the three lights

1088
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:09,359
moved away from each other and so that

1089
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:09,839
was

1090
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,200
and we were both

1091
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,280
looking at it so we were like wait what

1092
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,520
is that because they

1093
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,960
they moved away from each other so

1094
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:21,200
unless it was like an aircraft that was

1095
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,920
like

1096
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,800
stretching i don't know i don't know of

1097
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,839
any aircraft that does that

1098
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,599
it just didn't make any sense so then we

1099
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:31,359
knew at that point that we were looking

1100
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:31,760
at

1101
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,520
point we're just kind of standing there

1102
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,480
and we're not really saying anything and

1103
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,160
or at least i don't remember

1104
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:47,119
that we were saying anything and then

1105
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,319
all of a sudden

1106
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,920
um the lights go back into

1107
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:54,960
a triangular formation

1108
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,640
and they just take off across the sky

1109
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:01,920
and we're like okay and i

1110
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:05,680
i don't remember what we said i don't

1111
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,160
think

1112
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,280
we said like i i just don't we didn't

1113
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,240
say anything of

1114
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,560
of significance i remember the feeling

1115
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,880
that i had that was like

1116
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,520
oh my goodness like what what did i just

1117
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:19,440
see it was like

1118
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,119
it was like confusion basically and

1119
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,319
uh we just started walking and

1120
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,960
back to we were walking actually we we

1121
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,480
started making our way

1122
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,480
towards the camp which where the kids

1123
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,000
were which is where we were going in the

1124
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,280
first place

1125
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:38,800
so as we came up to the clearing where

1126
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,720
the kids were um a few of the kids came

1127
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,480
running up and i remember one of them

1128
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,319
came and these are like

1129
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920
teenagers um and they're like teenagers

1130
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,839
from the inner city

1131
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,920
kids that are there because they had

1132
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,960
committed

1133
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,040
serious crimes some of them some of them

1134
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,720
very serious

1135
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,760
and one of the kids came up and he was

1136
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:02,720
like

1137
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,480
miss d uh did you see that ufo

1138
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,079
i'm like yes and the other kids are like

1139
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,240
did you see it you see that ufo across

1140
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:13,920
the sky and i'm like

1141
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,119
yes and there was just like a feeling of

1142
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,520
a little bit of excitement in the camp

1143
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,640
but

1144
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,240
to be very honest um it wasn't

1145
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,640
like what you would think where people

1146
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,240
would just be like

1147
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:30,880
i don't even know like freaking out

1148
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,520
about it

1149
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,800
uh they really weren't it was it was

1150
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,359
like this really subdued

1151
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,680
feeling of just like wow like what did

1152
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,280
we just see

1153
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,720
and also you know no matter i

1154
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,960
i think what it is is that you know no

1155
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,720
matter what we saw

1156
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:51,200
we were still in the situation where

1157
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,079
these kids

1158
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,280
were um incarcerated and

1159
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,280
we were working with them and it was a

1160
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,200
very difficult situation

1161
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,920
and so there was this feeling of like

1162
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,520
well we just saw

1163
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:06,400
a ufo in the sky but it doesn't it

1164
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,200
doesn't really

1165
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,319
change our situation and so

1166
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,319
it's interesting because you know one of

1167
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,040
the questions that you ask is like

1168
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:18,240
how did you feel about it and

1169
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:21,760
i have to be honest and say like i i

1170
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:25,839
i really have wanted to and been curious

1171
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,640
i have wanted my whole life to see a ufo

1172
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,359
and i've always been curious about them

1173
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,400
but

1174
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,800
in this moment when we had actually seen

1175
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:37,599
one

1176
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,280
i i don't know how to describe

1177
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:43,119
how i felt about it because it was

1178
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:44,839
almost like

1179
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,720
okay yeah like okay yeah there was like

1180
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,480
a ufo in the sky

1181
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,240
and of course there was and

1182
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,040
and and that was kind of the feeling it

1183
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,200
wasn't anything like this

1184
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,599
big amazement where we're all just like

1185
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,079
freaking out all night over it

1186
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,400
it was like it was like it was always

1187
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,599
supposed to be there

1188
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,359
and we were supposed to see it and now

1189
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,960
we just have to

1190
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,880
get back to this difficult life that we

1191
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:14,000
were living at that

1192
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,839
time um looking back at it now

1193
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,920
uh and just thinking about the situation

1194
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,160
i was in because i will just say

1195
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:24,720
that this camp that i was working at was

1196
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:25,520
absolutely

1197
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:29,200
a horrible place and there was a lot of

1198
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:30,319
abuse there

1199
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,079
there was racism there it was a terrible

1200
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,599
terrible situation and i believe that

1201
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,160
they are not there anymore

1202
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:41,599
which is a good thing um but

1203
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,440
it was such a bad situation that

1204
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,920
there was always this feeling that the

1205
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,200
staff or the people

1206
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,040
not the staff not the regular staff but

1207
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,280
the people that were running the place

1208
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:56,319
were constantly trying to dehumanize the

1209
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,200
kids

1210
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,280
i mean basically so that they could

1211
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:01,119
justify how they were being treated

1212
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:01,839
there

1213
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,960
and my job was to

1214
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,520
advocate for them which was a very very

1215
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,119
difficult job

1216
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,880
so now looking back at it it just really

1217
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,000
makes me feel their humanity

1218
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,520
um even more than i did before because

1219
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,000
we were all in the situation like we

1220
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:23,280
were all

1221
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,960
where there were there were these very

1222
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,800
clear roles they were like

1223
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,359
the kids who you know we were supposed

1224
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:32,400
to control

1225
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,920
and you know their humanity was always

1226
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,760
being taken away and then there was a

1227
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,960
staff

1228
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,520
and they had like this real dominant

1229
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,119
position over the kids

1230
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,800
but ultimately we were all human beings

1231
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,599
and just looking back at it that's what

1232
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:52,000
it reminds me of it reminds me

1233
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,359
of our humanity that

1234
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,400
you know even though we were in this

1235
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,640
this little universe together where

1236
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,480
things were really awful and the roles

1237
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,559
were really

1238
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,839
really unjust we were still just

1239
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,000
little tiny humans on the earth looking

1240
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,440
up in the sky

1241
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,200
and seeing something that we didn't

1242
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,640
understand

1243
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,520
so that's how that's how i feel about it

1244
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,480
now

1245
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,680
looking back um thank you ryan

1246
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,079
for giving me a chance to tell my story

1247
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,079
and i love your podcast

1248
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:29,440
it makes me feel like i'm less alone

1249
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:46,490
[Music]

1250
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,030
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1251
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,319
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